Sailing the Menai Strait with Charts, ChatGPT, and a Healthy Dose of Caution
- jenwhelan234
- Aug 6
- 2 min read
Updated: 5 days ago
Sailing down the Menai Strait takes meticulous planning as here, timings aren’t just important, they’re critical. This narrow, winding stretch of water has claimed more than a dozen wrecks, from the training ship HMS Conway to Pwll Fanog, a medieval cargo vessel.
After chatting with the harbour master at Deganwy, we knew the trip would be “interesting.” Pete reached for his Admiralty charts, I consulted AI, and between us we plotted a plan. The most notorious part of the passage, The Swellies, lies between Menai Bridge and Britannia Bridge. Our final challenge was to reach Caernarfon harbour entrance before it closed at 11:50 am.

Asking AI for a Route Plan
I asked ChatGPT to create a route plan from Deganwy Marina to Caernarfon Marina. It returned a detailed set of timings and waypoints, which matched my own research — mostly.
AI’s “Ideal” Timing (summarised)
Leave Deganwy: High Water Liverpool –3 hours
Pass under Menai Bridge: At High Water Liverpool to catch slack water through the Swellies
Caernarfon Bar: Arrive at half tide rising for safest entry
The hazards were correctly listed — Swellie Rock, Cribbin Rock, Stanley Rock — and the navigation advice was sound. But then came the sticking point: tide times.
The Tide Time Disagreement
For 6 August 2025, AI gave me:
High Water Liverpool: 08:54 BST
Slack Water Swellies: ~09:30–10:00 BST
But my Reeds Almanac clearly said 10:05 BST for High Water Liverpool.
When I challenged the discrepancy, AI suggested that Reeds might be listing UTC times, using a different Liverpool dock, or even containing a printing error. In other words… it politely told me I was wrong.
I wasn’t convinced. For an experienced sailor, this was a mild irritation. But for a beginner relying on AI alone, it could have been dangerous.
Trust, but Verify
I recalculated using my Reeds time of 10:05 BST. Pete and I agreed to slip at 06:45 — just as the sill at Deganwy dropped — and reached the Swellies at slack water (09:50–10:20). From there, the tide carried us all the way to Caernarfon Bar. We even had 30 minutes to spare before the sill closed, giving us a stress-free mooring.
Lessons from the Menai Strait
The Menai Strait lived up to its reputation: stunning scenery, exhilarating navigation, and plenty of hazards if you get it wrong.
This passage reinforced something I’ve said before — AI is best treated like an enthusiastic intern: it can be helpful, fast, and full of ideas, but it’s not the skipper. Always cross-check with official sources, your own charts, and local knowledge.
In our case, the combination of Pete’s seamanship, my research, and yes, even AI’s enthusiasm got us through safely — with time left for a celebratory cup of tea in Caernarfon.
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